Forcing No Counts On Purpose Is A Cheat!!!

**N_E** · 11-30-2003, 10:16 PM

Hi!

I know some will get upset, but I believe forcing no counts and teach other pilots how to force no counts is not right. U use a glitch of the game to be bether then other pilots.
Shure I accuse no counts too. Everybody does once a while. But there are pilots who are proud that they have found out about 10 different ways to force no counts and they also teach other pilots to use such kind of "tactic".
Its just like I would use the "invisible-glitch" to be bether than I really am.

Everybody who forces no counts on purpose is not playing fair. U will fasten the demise on C4!!!

There are still new pilots joining the game. They wont stay long if they dont get counts for their kills.

Matches will end 5:4 or 6:8 instead of 35:32.

N_E

**~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX** · 12-02-2003, 05:37 AM

Your whining is the demise of C4. Waaaa!!!! To all Pilots that think No Counts are a cheats Isuggest you go back to the Tutorial of the game and go thru all the practices. They teach you all you need to know about the game. By lowering your radar cross section you can force No Counts. I force No Counts. All SON Pilots Chicken Farp whats worse facing the stingers headon or running headon into a hill on purpose. APS don't fly 8h we don't hill farp, what we do is face the stingers head on and force them to miss us. I would much rather duck behind a hill while you shoot the hill then shot you, then be so scared to get a point against me that I have to run into a hill to avoid stingers. This is a game, that is it. What you call a cheat I call Skill, I am not writing any code, or altering the maps to get rid or add to the fog. I fly, I practiced hard to do this. The demise of C4 came from the in squabbling between the older squads. NovaWorld says they are shutting down the pointers in January, because of this petty bickering, congratulation, you just gave them one more reason. Oh Wah I can kill anyone,,, Wahhh,,,, Practice like I did and you can get better... SON doesn't help New pilots,,, APS members get points towards thier promotion for helping new pilots, if you see any APS pilots acting like buttheads towards new pilots then email me the screen shots of the incident and I will kick them out. Thsi is not an issue the real issues are cabling, squads harrassing each others, the pilots that seem to forget this is a game otherwise known as unsportsman like behavior. One thing this game has taught me is eight grow or go, I decided to grow... At one time I was with one of those abusive squads I am no longer. APS is the best humored bunch of people, I have ever had the priviledge fly with... We have these 2 15 year olds that are great to be around, I haven't laughed so much since I got this game. We aren't even laughing about the game. just life stuff. Since being in APS I have helped a lot of pilots learn to fly better. If this is what you mean the demise of C4 is then goodbye. I think not,,, SON go back to smoking your bongs and leave the hard work of flying to the rest of us.... If we are in the same server together,,, and I see you first I promiss to loan you some super glue to fix your Chopper after shooting it out from under you. Have a wonderfully perfect & terrorific day....

I'm Outy,,,

~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX
Commanding Officer
Battlefield Wing
Executive Officer to
~ÅÞ§~Warlord_Hooper
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[Edited on 12-2-2003 by ~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX]

**N_E** · 12-02-2003, 06:51 AM

Did I say anything about APS is not helping newbees or that APS is a crap squad? Did I say I speek for SON? Do u see a tag added to my name?
Its my personal opinion that forcing no counts on purpose is a way of cheating. If u think its not, ok - thats ur opinion. But dont call anybody else or squad what u sayed above. I never know of any SON pilot that didnt help when they where asked to!!!

Back to forcing no counts:

I think u give ur self a big advantage by forcing no counts. We had this before by other ways too. First there were the 8h'ers, then the efam bug, the guys who cable..... Its all the same to me. U use a bog or a trick to be bether.

By the way - I dont know of any other game where u dont get a point for the kill u made.

If u think I steped on ur feet with this, well - ur problem. But please dont act nasty and inflict other pilots, squads ......

Like I sayed, its my personal opinion. I do not represent SON.

c ya

N_E

P.S: I rather have a nice day without any terror!!!

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-02-2003, 10:34 AM

It is unfortunate that nova won't fix or support the game. I get a lot of nc's against me, but I am doing nothing but avoiding the stingers- nova's own directions are to strafe and keep nose pointed toward the missles. if you do that, you end up circling around the missles and climbing; the result is splash damage. All they would have to do to fix the counting is change the counting method to a very simple formula: kills - deaths. Even if the other player didnt get the kill, your deaths would show, lowering your score. Why this method was never used for scoring I will never know. I can only assume that someone thinks that low scores wouldn't be fun enough. Once Inso gets the v2 aefix done, it will be interesting to see if it is a better solution.

Yes, bickering is a detraction. The main problem is small minds with big egos though, and that is the biggest detractor of any games. Some people just can't grow up (as you can see from the previous post, and the tone of it). However, this exists in all the games, and all the ages, and, unfortunately is a microcosm of the world at large. One workable solution is to ally and group yourselves with those that think in a similar fashion (as we, and others have, and will continue to try). There will never be a panacea for this.

**Sayuton** · 12-02-2003, 01:06 PM

This is a game, that is it. What you call a cheat I call Skill...

Outright BS. Macros firing and packet loss.

I am not writing any code...

Obviously...

....and leave the hard work of flying to the rest of us....

Ok, you 'work' at that flying... while others 'play' with finding solutions..

**~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX** · 12-02-2003, 04:29 PM

NovaWorld is shutting down the pointers for us to play in the central server at the beginning of the year. We still have Kali. Because of this C4 numbers will dewindle to a few pilots playing. Enjoy the game while it is here. Forget the rest of the BS. We have maybe a little over a month, if NovaWorld keeps their word(

) I appologize for being so angry sounding in my earlier post. However I do stick by the point being made. This is a game, let enjoy it while we got it. Stop all this bickering, & fly. I saw some made cooments about words I said, if that is the best you can do then, HA HA HA the joke is on you. I hope to see you all in those bloody skies of C4, in these last few days left of NovaWorld Hosted C4. If I don't see ya there was great playing with ya. Have a Great Life.

Hasta,,,

~ÅÞ§~Gen³_TerrorX
Commanding Officer
Battlefield Wing
Executive Officer to
~ÅÞ§~Warlord_Hooper
Åìr Þrõwlër §¶üäÐrõñ
terrorx@airprowlers.com
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**Inso «Ð*§*§»** · 12-02-2003, 04:37 PM

**Reaper** · 12-02-2003, 06:05 PM

LOL Inso you still want to help us.

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-02-2003, 07:00 PM

I can't figure out what that smiley face is eating. maybe I don't want to know LOL

**Str8_up** · 12-02-2003, 07:31 PM

I can't believe this!!!
I have never been so enticed to join a forum than now!!!
Everyone in C4 knows who I am....I hide behind nothing including what you all call "cheats" in the game.
I have always had a GREAT attitude and respect towards all other pilots EXCEPT those who choose to attack my squad, me or my daughter personally even when I was KILLED ridiculously by the better pilots.
Obviously...this post CAN'T go out to EVERYONE....there are those even in the ranks of other squads that appreciate me and what I have to say....and respect me as well as my ability to stay neutral even in the worst of circumstances.
Now...I can't sit still...especially after reading what you posted N/E.
When I got to C4....everyone killed my butt!!!...including you.. I couldn't even get a count if I tried!!!
Finally...some people saw a possible pilot in me. Several squads asked me to join....
I went with the squad who told me..."If I want to be one of the best pilots without cheating....If I want to work hard and find out what it takes to "play" the game in its totality.....and be a winner....then Join APS.
That's exactly what I wanted....and I got it.
There is NO CHEATING on OUR end.. You can take me for my word.... or kiss off.
I find it revolting to hear pilots say we cheat...and although NO one has directly said this to me.... It sounds as if now it is coming to that If you are calling what I do and the rest of my squad including my daughter cheating.
I say you should read the manual.... that would help greatly.
As a matter of fact....throwing an NC is not as easy as it looks...requires NO computer manipulation...takes hours of practice and comes as a direct result of how NOVA wrote the software...Did it ever occur to you that NOVA meant for this to happen in the new version?
Let me suggest that possibly NOVA Teams wrote this in on purpose to make it more “realistic”. Do you think that real pilots Don’t become better and learn to avoid things like heat seeking missiles… you bet your behind they do!
HEY....if you don't want to drop your EFAMS....I say don't... But your Radar signature is going to be larger.
If you don't want to put your gear up...That's a personal problem...which will undoubtedly end in your demise...Again...because you don't want to follow the rules....the "SOFTWARE" and the people who wrote it have nothing to do with you dieing at this point...and frankly….. NEITHER DO WE!!
Do the right thing....If you want to play the game and be a happy person…..Learn and ...ADJUST TO HOW OTHER PILOTS FLY...
That will MAKE you a better pilot!! I guarantee it!! Crying about other pilots and how they fly will get you and me in No Wheres Ville.
In my very first match...against you guys...I lost my tail....you guys killed me right and left!! If I remember correctly...you guys whipped APS 3 times...before we won our first match just recently against you. So what’s up with that? You didn’t here me whining…as a matter of fact…No one did….IT DIDN”T HAPPEN!!
To take that one step further I was taken aside and reprimanded by my CO because I told one of SON”s pilots in our first match that there score was a great one and that it was deserved.
It just caused me to work harder at being a better pilot…AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! Thank you officially!!
We finally become Excellent pilots...work hard when we practice and even when we are just in an open server... Kick peoples butts....usually resulting in taking the top spots...
So what? Now we are cheats?
COME ON!! BE REAL!!!
I seriously can't believe that....and I don't think that you do either.
I have flown against you from day one and you used to kick my booty... are you telling me now that your not...because I cheat... I won't settle for that...no way.
There are plenty of pilots other than on my squad, that know me...know my character and KNOW that I'm not a cheater. In Fact….Anyone who KNOWS me will Tell you exactly the opposite.
If you want...I would be more than willing to take you...or any other pilots into a server and "SHOW" you how I accomplish my NC's. There is NO CHEAT involved what so ever….There is no Packet or Pocket manipulation or anything of such.
We certainly have better things to do with our time….LIKE PLAY THE GAME AND BE BETTER PILOTS.
There are so many determining factors of why someone dies and whether or not there is a count. It could be a combination of lag, positioning, technique, connection speed, chopper color. Lol ( now that’s funny) and remember this is between how many computers? Heck...I don't know why there might be lag..do you?
I gladly help every griffon or other pilots when I can...and stop even during my "Fun Play" in open server to help....
Ask any pilot of CAS, DIE, APS, SAI, SON, or any other Respectable Squad. I'm on top of helping others and showing them how we get NC’s (NOTICE: SON NOTED AS RESPECTABLE (( I do believe this to be true)))
As for the glitch....well....Call it what you want.. It's part of the game....built in by the creators of the game...
If we take advantage of the NC maneuvers, It’s for no other reason than you take advantage of putting up your EFAMS. It’s part of how it was “Designed” to work and not created or manipulate by any pilots and certainly not us….I might add.
I think you’re an ok guy….I’m sure we can come to some form of resolution to this matter…. This is not just on you either. There are many people who feel the way you do…and I understand this. I would like to think though, that people would be willing to listen to reason.
Everyone in C4 should help other pilots…or else nobody will get to be a better pilot and only one squad would always win. Now…that would be fun right?
N/E….. I’m not mad at you….I’m mad at the fact that people have been misinformed about how the game works…which is ultimately causing this conflict.
The bickering between the squads will be the demise of all of us soon enough.
We need to join together….show NOVA that we CAN get along. Perhaps they would then change there minds about ousting us from their servers and shutting down C4.
Even after typing this…I don’t feel any better….This sucks to continually hear these remarks about cheating. And I thought this was supposed to be a fun game….lol
Further more…people should be ashamed of direct insults to others… Not only is it inappropriate in the servers…but there are young people (including my daughter) who don’t need to hear that or see that crap being typed. I say this to ALL C4 players and am a respecter of absolutely none who throw that nasty language and Stupid accusations around.
Those type of words accomplish nothing and result in no good all of the time.
I HOPE that some how some way this situation can change…..I’ve done everything I can in and out of the servers to keep things clean for everyone’s enjoyment and as a good sportsman can offer to all pilots of C4 only these things:
1) Challenge yourself to adapt to the game
2) Do your best and keep coming back
3) Ask for help when needed
4) Always be willing to help another pilot
5) Don’t throw BLOW around when you post…on a forum or in the game.
6) Read Reapers page on No Counts…found in the link below.
7) http://members.optusnet.com.au/die_squad/die1.htm

Later…Str8up~APS~

**Reaper** · 12-02-2003, 07:35 PM

LOL wiper just watching what happens, I am staying out of this debate.

**N_E** · 12-02-2003, 09:16 PM

Ok, Str8_up!

First of all, thank u for all the info and for the nice way u posted it. Your Co can shure learn something from u. I didnt want to say that every pilot who accuses no counts is a cheater. I know, then we all are cheaters. I wanted to start a discussion about forcing no counts. To make it a bit more spicy I called it a cheat. This was a misstake and I apologize for that. I should rather have called it "not right". But if we never would have discussed about 8h'ers or suiciding, then probable there would still be a lot pilots using these "tactics". I know no counts are a part of the game. Thats why we cant just shut them off, of curse. They have allways been, but never been so much. Some pilots use it to give them a big advantage. Its not like dropping efams or closing baydors or get ur gear up.
If us say real pilots become better by using these maneuvers ur right but if they get shot down then they are dead. And the enemy who shot him down will notice it as a kill.
And right here is the point which bothers me. U dont get credit for the kill u make, just because some do some kind of maneuver. A kill is a kill and should be honoured with a point.
If u are a good pilot then use the tactics by reducing ur radar signature or try to strafe the stingers out. Or use a hill, trees .... as a shild, just like the LMB-guys do very good. This all does not bother me. But not getting credit for a kill is killing my fun. I it is not just killing my fun, I know there are many more.
If we dont talk about anything, how should somebody recognize of what is going on? I started this poll, so hopefully very much players respond. I am sorry that I have not choosen the right words.

Most pilots know me (I believe) and theres no one who can say that I accuse others of cheating. Never did.

Now if its true what Terror said and Nova is closing the C4-application, then forget about this poll. I know it seems that Nova does not care anymore about C4. But still theres a little bit of hope.

N_E

**RED BARON** · 12-03-2003, 09:54 AM

LOL Terrorx after reading your posts on the SON Squad web site I just had to reply.
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/cvdzanden
Forums, Re: Get Serious & Wake Up
You sure bring out your true colors, your language ( not allowed on this web site ) and some of the ip address you referr to.
I wonder if you are the Squad Leader of the APS Squad.

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by RED BARON]

**Inso «Ð*§*§»** · 12-03-2003, 10:34 AM

And your raising kids! Am not laughing any more, truly sad dude, truly....sad...!!

**WiperSix«L·R·S»** · 12-03-2003, 11:35 AM

Well, its finally time to say what I really think. (This is just a copy of what I posted on SON site)

Well, as you all have seen from the above postings, all the things that terror (heretofore to be called Error) has accused the LRS of being or doing were (formerly) true. Why ? Well, Error knows very well - because of members like himself. I believe we have finally rid ourselves of these types (although, with members coming and going in several games its a constant battle). The unfortunate part of this is that most of the squads, including APS, contain , as a majority, fine upstanding friendly and fun-to-play-with pilots. I thoroughly enjoy playing with virtually all the APS members (Error excepted), and I have told them this (in private). I thoroughly enjoy playing with SON, LMB, and virtually all the other squad pilots, and there are very few I have met that I would not call friends. My squadmates feel the same, and all that remains to be done in this game, and the others we play, is to simply ignore the simpletons like the one aforementioned.

Keep the Faith, my brothers

By the way, you are all invited to join us in
our LRS battlefield server anytime, should you
decide to start playing that game. We have not
given up on C4, but have been spending a lot of
time in battlefield (the Desert Combat Mod)

thanks, and I hope you don't mind
me putting in my 2 cents

WiperSix LRS