Forcing No Counts On Purpose Is A Cheat!!!

Hello everyone,

Imagine if someone posted this and it was true.

I've learned of a new tactic that works pretty good but haven't tried it out yet.
It's actually a bug in the game but as long as no code is used to alter the game it's not a cheat.
There's a take off method right after being shot down that makes you invisible. It's a bug we've all experienced and usually Crash when someone tells you about it. But using the NC viewpoint,if you don't crash and just play along it's not a cheat. Just keep farping and shooting.
This will give those who use it an advantage until squads who would usually pursue this type of thing and not call it a cheat to figure it out and start using it.

Would the NC crowd here agree with this or is something wrong with the thinking as it is with NC's and other "exploited bugs"?

I'll continue next post.

Happy flying
Ham

Hello again all,

Another way to approach it is to start by simply state what a no count is. A no count is the score not updating after you've been blown up!!!!. It has no bearing what your intention was when you blew up!!! IF you hit a mountain running or dodging someone then they killed you and should get credit. If they shot you fair and square you should get credit. How can anyone disagree with that??
The matter at hand isn't whether or not anyone is modifying the ability to get kills, but modifying score keeping!!!!
Imagine if a football team was able to trick the score keeper into not counting scores for their opponent. Would that be cheating or not? I think most would agree it would be. This is exactly the same.
Just a thought.

Ham

Ham's thoughts explain it just the way I see it.

But the sadness of this discussion is that we cant do anything to fix no counts. :(

I dont care if someone calls me a winner! If noone would complain (winn), then nobody would care. And it doesnt help if only one person complains. Everyone who think this is not right should complain. I know Nova didnt care so far. But as long they havent droped the lobby, I still have a little bit of hope that they might do care.

As to rather splash damage causes no counts or not. I will still say there are few NCs in version 2 it scores slash damage as a point. Plain and simple. Say it's a glitch or any thing you want to . That's why I want AE for version 2.
There is some thing else players should know I run a map called killing spree. It's a death match map with all the spawn points set close together. Life expectancy on that map is 5 to 10 seconds, with 4 players logged in. That game is nothing but spawn and shoot. There must be more info flood the server in that game then any other i run. Well no counts happen seldom on that map. You know why ? becuase players don't have time to straf. As they come up they get killed. Players hate it. It gives the highest death ratio count on any map I ever played. As for training players to learn to watch for the shot that scores points and teach them to attack from an elivated postion out of a hard straf with there nose up I don't consider that going back wards. Thats what I train. Thats what no count forcing is. Players will explote any thing they can thats how hard it is to score points now. This still goes to tactics. Players are not the same skill we had a year ago. It has nothing to do with glitches. You have players that have played twice as many hours as they did at a year ago. The more you play the better every one gets. The scoring is flawed, Don't blame players for finding out how the scoring works and setting there play to it. This isn't a terrain glitch like the tunnels get where the player disapears. or a setting comming from co op that you can't make in dm or tdm. It is the scoring. I don't expect you to like it I don't either. But lets find a way to play that works. I stated already I am trying a micro to cycle weapons to work from that side of the problem. If the players that are that up set over this would start testing there theorys and try some diff tactics mabe we can learn some more information. How we fix this is with all of us players seeing what works and what doesn't. And sharing that info with the players you face. Right now i see 1 fix and that is version 2. theres no ae for it , Inso has already been working on it. There can be some cool stuff come out of this, I want to play at 1H, I may get my chance now. A lobby where you see if AE is on before you log in is being looked at. I spent many hours working on the attack I use that gave me more kills. I still get no counts !. There are some smart players in c4. If you want to fix this work on how to stop it.

If version 2 counts everything I just might start playing again :smilegrin:
In the real military world if a member of either side dies because he crashed, was hit by "splash" damage, or even pissed on an electrical socket he would be DEAD. and that counts as one for the other side, dont matter how. Of course friendly fire would count too, which should. If someone knows how to get version 2 let me know. I'll go out and buy it if that's what is shipping now. Then this topic will go away if I have to sit each match out to serve.

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Thanks,
If that's all there is to it this topic should be mute. If someone has an issue with NC's, and 2.0 is as easy as this fix, they should only play on servers with 2.0 running.
I'll let SON know about the patch.

Thanks again
Ham

I am sorry but this will not fix the problem now you have new issues. I was flying in a V2 server and 1 death scored as 3 kills on me and there was only one death. I have had 2 kills scored on several occasions for one death now tell me how that is going to help fix the problem.

OhNo

Well you're right there, and I've had the same in come and get it but here's the difference. It's random and hates everyone equally, it's not forced as far as I know. If your opponent had a way of maneuvering to cause that, I'd see a problem. If all fly by the same rules then it's fair. If some change the rules including scroing, than that's alittle different. Hope the nova pulling C4 from the server list isn't true is it?
Ham

It is not true at this time as nova says in there forum.
The extra deaths did not seem random to me when I was getting double deaths everytime I was killed.:mad:

It doesnt fix the problem It gives players the chose of what type of scoring they prefer.

1.5 flying to bring health to 0 with the last stinger or cannon fired making a direct hit. needed to score the point no counts if you don't hit the player with a direct hit and they get to 0 health and blow up.

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version 2 splash damage scores as a point. with with the game making the kill reading as an error and saying you crashed when you didn't and losing a point on some attacks.

At this time it's as simple as that. Players choose what scoring system they prefer.

In version 2 you wait for AE if you want every 1 3h or exept 8h players and live with that and the efam bug for the time being.
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By the way come and get it is novas house server and runs version 2 out of califoria, That why there are 8h players there and the efam bug can be used.

Thanks
I'm digging in my closet for the Ole C4 disk to load LOL
I shelved it and unloaded it from the machine after getting ticked off about the forced NC issue about a month ago. I'll give it another try with V2.
Like I said, if rules and scoring is equal for both sides I can live with it, just so long as my opponent isn't determining my score. :smilegrin:

Thank you No Escape….I do appreciate the response you made as well.
After a couple of days reading people responses I feel I can post again.
I’m glad everyone has finally gotten to the topic as it is.
Is it a glitch? I don’t know…they wrote it…..not me. For that matter…Can anyone here be knowledgeable enough to have that information? If you are….Please post the details.
I have seen a lot of interesting theories as to how an NC is made and of course every one of them have some validity.
Now…on to the facts. If an NC is a glitch…Which I don’t disagree…
Then why don’t they make a patch. I’ll play still…I love the game too much and the people in it.
Beyond that….I also agree with INSO, for the most part, regarding how NC’s occur.
There are so many factors….a move that can be obviously be mastered….and also comes just plain natural to others….
Thank you INSO for your insight into the details.
As far as it being the equal to chicken farping…well….you go the hell ahead and run into a hill.. I’m going to avoid your stingers… you die.. I will live…. Or die.. and there’s an NC for me.
That’s a fact partner. It’s going to happen no matter what smack appears in this forum or in any e-mail that gets sent out…. NC’s are a FACT.
Why is it Fact?
Because there is no patch number one… Number two, 90% of the pilots that I have gone up against in the past 2 months have pulled NC’s and will continue to. Most of them whether or not they mean to. One thing for sure… You wont see me accusing my buddies of cheating over something that everyone “Can do”….If they want.
If an NC is a cheat…then I guess I’m a cheat…Run me out of your server to whatever extent you must.
Now wont that be great.. Now everyone that was considered a friend is now considered a foe. You must be joking!! That will never happen!
The Fact is….Just as many of you have posted… Strafing away is most of an NC.
Everyone does it…….Another fact. …Some do it better.
I also Drive Straight into the stingers….(what?) yeah…straight into them.
When Firing my stingers…4-6 at a time…I alternate my guns…reducing the possibility of my opponent getting a No Count and raising my chances of getting a count.
I did this for several reasons. The first and foremost being…I was getting my butt smacked against pilots that were doing the exact same thing.
So most of them aren’t going to post…because of all the horrible things people are saying about people who pull them. Well…Not me…
I will play this game any way the community wants…..Let’s wait and see what truly happens in the servers. That will be the true test to see if everyone can make it there duty not to pull a No Count…..LMAO
My integrity stands….at least I can accept the truth and the inevitability of change that will continue to happen if we want to be better players. ( and will again if there’s a patch or someone has a fix of some sort)


Every Pilot knows that sooner or later they are going to go invisible….It’s a glitch in the game. Are some people going to exploit it….Yup…they are….they do…and they will continue to. I wont….I don’t need to. This topic is not even an equivalent comparison to No Counts. It’s not even in the same category…flat plain and simple.
Being invisible is something that just happens.. I don’t even know of a pilot that raised his hand to want to be invis. I have heard rumors of pressing this and that button to become invis…but see no benefit to this procedure…It’s obviously not fair.
However….It remains a fact in the game… and the only thing any of us can do is wait for a patch and adjust to the fact that there will always be an ignoramus that attempts to deceive another in the game. FACT
I am not deceiving anyone when as NC occurs… I am AVOIDING your stingers and shooting stingers and Cannons back at you. Nothing more or less. ( I also have hours of practice at it.)
The next FACT I want people to be aware of is that as we adapt in this game….the players become better.
People like CO Reaper and a few others continue to help pilots be more efficient and to learn how to fly without getting killed.. Isn’t that what this “GAME” is all about.. Getting to the top of the list.. Isn’t that the challenge or is everyone washed out?
That’s what makes a human….the desire to achieve…get better.. Welcome to the human race!!! (indecently also the reason why they put a number 1 at the top of the list instead of at the bottom)
On the other hand…..It’s great to be at the bottom of the list… It often puts me in my place (lol). Yeah…I am a human too..and have spent my time there as well.
The anti in C4 has been upped many times in the past year. From sticks and their macros to NC’s and Extreme Fast Cannons.
Let me tell you… My X 45 doesn’t shoot out cannons at 500 rpms…..but if you want a SURE KILL…..shoot fast with your cannons and you will get that count. You don’t and won’t hear me wine about it…..I’ll simply adjust to your flying technique and eventually I will still whoop your butt.
There are plenty who use Extreme Rapid fire as well. I don’t even have the ability with my stick to produce those numbers…..They are killing me with it. Is it Cheating too? It’s not fair that they have access to a feature in the game that I don’t , right?
At least with an NC….everyone has the opportunity to have one….
I guess what I’m trying to say is..
A) We all have to adjust…
As I have learned to play this game, I have had to ask many others how to do this and how to do that.
B) Let’s be real.. NC’s are going to happen… (unless Someone can fix)
C) Let’s not bash other players and call them cheaters…..It’s not our fault they made it work like that…Join a different server that doesn’t score the same way if you don’t like it.
D) I will continue to help other players ON PURPOSE. This will be the best defense against NC’s currently. Join me and any other C4’ers that Have the know how!!

Perhaps NOVA or someone could write a one stinger kill!!! That would be more realistic yet!!
In the mean time, I’m going to avoid your stingers…and I suggest you do the same to mine….
Seriously…..I’m here to help in any way I can….Including a fix….
See you all in the friendly skies…… Later…Str8up

Once again, and it's mute with me since I wont play in non V2 server anymore.
If you avoid being killed it's not a cheat and it's legit. If you are killed and you do anything to prevent the FACT you were killed from being counted it's A: skill B: Cheat
Thanks again INSO for the V2 fix.

Oh yeah....also....I prefer the challenge of a pilot today that can pull an NC. I actually look forward to seeing who can master the technique each time I go up against him or her.
It's no offense to anyone....It is just my preferenece. I fly for fun and to help others....It's a great game... and I must have been writing my other post when you responded Reaper...
That was awsome..!!! Thanks man!!
Also started a fourth page on this stuff...he he...
Did you think it would be this hot N/E? ... Good one. Cya out there bud!!
Later....Str8

Well think about it. If you prefer to play against someone that can pull off a N/C you're with US!!! I prefer to be able to shoot someone and blow them up, It means I BEAT HIM/HER. Problem is that it didn't count. The better pilot won but wasn't credited for it.
Wow this might go to page 5 LOL

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Originally posted by Str8_up
... 90% of the pilots that I have gone up against in the past 2 months have pulled NC’s and will continue to. ...

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Thats exactly what will fasten the demise of C4!!!

Now what do u think? Every or allmost every player learns how to accuse no counts. Of course it will not allways happen and u be happy u killed somebody and got the count because he didnt do the right move. But will it still be fun if the game turns out to steal a count then to get a count by killing my opponent? NC's are the funkiller #1 in this game. A lot of players dont play anymore just because of this one fact and thats why we have to shout out loud and maybe...... yeah maybe someone hears it.


The more players learn how to accuse no counts, the more players will stop playing.
And thats what its all about!!!

N_E

I want to Know just one thing does the SCORE mean that much to everyone? Not me I just play NC no NC lagg CIs. I think if all this bothers everyone so much break your disc and throw it in the trash.and don't play.If the score does matter that much just catch me in a server and say you need a drone I will fly around and let you shoot me. thats just how much I care,and I think it is time to sotp shouting or crying. JUST PLAY THE GAME. all this CRAP makes me want to break my disc.
Don't cry Don't complain "JUST say OhNo":mad:

I don't know about throwing around the word 'demise'. But for the sake of carrying your thought a bit further into the 'oblivion'... I will pick up the 'Devil's Advocate' stance and run with it...

In advance, I will apologize if I offend... but I'm taking an opposing stance.

What you may want to consider is not whether your participation (or any other, for that matter...) is VITAL to the continuation of the C4 community - but exactly what your participation involved.

So far... I have seen the same general apathy towards just doing what would be the considerate thing - and turning of the repeated firing and macros and enjoy the game 'au naturale'.

" I'm set up to fire 2 stingers.... " " I'm experimenting with rotating cannons and stingers " "I'm setup to fire four stingers" - and the best excuse for your exploiting (and that is what it is ). " well, everybody else is doing it, I'm simply adapting " This is BS and avoidance of the issues. You sound like 'the busted' in a riot filled street of looters.

I'll tell you something - there is something someone talks about that rings so true, but no-one really cares to hear... really hear... concerning 'choosing with whom you play....'

We all have our opinions... and it is great to respect anothers... but, if someone does fix it - do you really think they would or should share it with the likes of you and your mindless 'sheep at the slaughter ' attitude...? Who knows, maybe there is already a fix - and while you mindless spectors are touting your 'exploits' - you are actually only digging yourselves deeper into the world of unfulfilling play.

Yeah guys and gals, ya'll 'come and get it' now - we'll be sure and show this 'dead end' sign to those left, while those in the right are flying the fair skies.

LOL Ohno....Np bud...don't mean to be a whiner....not trying to be...lol
N/E....
What do you mean by accuse?
I'm missing something maybe?....
Anyhow...On the flip side of what you said....(and what you said may be true)... Why not just learn how to pull them....You might find that it is challenging....
You should let me show you...then you will see how it's done...then...maybe it will help clear some of this up.
Catch me some time...i mean that....It will also help you defend against the NC's...Thats how I learned to Strafe and avoid...
Later bud...Str8

Bluetiereign
What is fair and what is not that is the question

No this is about choosing the version you want to play. If the no counts bother you that much play version 2. What did you expect players to do, when you posted it as cheating, not defend what we consider a tactic. As far as you saying you shouldn't have used cheating you just wanted to spice it up, That flys here but after what 1 of your team mates did to me over yahoo when you started this thead I don't buy that either. A lot of players don't like this tactic that is fine. The fact that there is another version that does't have near as many NCs has been made public before this thread ever started. Yet players still want to complain about it. This is simple play people that want to play the way you do. Claiming the no count forcers are what is causing players to leave c4 is bs. There are so few that really understand it. They make a small group that play c4. Most of the time we play with each other. C4 was in trouble long before this truly became a problem. At this point in time the server with the most players most of the time is come and get it. The reason so many players use it is you can play there 8h. So don't tell us about using a glitch or running players out of c4. Most players fire way to many stingers much to fast. They dont straf well, controle there heat, or there radar sig. Those a skills in the game and part of forcing no counts. The only diff between a player that forces is he knows this and attacks with it in mind. The reason I have posted so much on this is I put forcing no counts in the public view and addressed it months ago on my website. Untill I did that and and started training players how the scoring affects the way you attack. Players never talked about forcing. Players complained ever time they got 1. Some of those players now understand why. Thats not running players out of c4. Thats explaining how the game scores. Same as I have done here the last few days. I have taking heat from both sides over this. The complainers want me to stop. Some of the forcers want me to let players learn it on there own like most of them did. Guess what ever player in c4 can choose to do what they want. I made my choise, play version 1.5 and ask Inso to make AE for you. I can still play version 2 with players I like if that's what they want to play. This is just 1 complaint in c4. I have seen LMB take crap over camping, players accuse others of being 8h in a server running AE. Call other players cheaters. And just whine because they are losing. All of this has been BS. Thats why squads fight and c4 is in trouble. We can't make players play the way we want. You players want to help C4 ?. Start by treating the player you face the way you want to be treated. Take the griffon in a server and help him. But stop all the BS.

Ok OhNo... one last post... PURELY...in the spirit of debate... and not necessarily my opinion..

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As the 'Devils Advocate':

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What is fair and what is not that is the question.

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Simply put - Not to everybody. There are some who saw the 'exploitations' for what they were from the beginning. Fair is what made the game what it was - not what it currently is. There was a time when you died, the score reflected it. There was a time when you killed and it counted. There was a time when you pulled the trigger once and fired once. There was a time when you didn't die because you strafed and that was a successful strafe manuveur - not a no count.

Keep up the avoidance, and hiding behind your ethical debates - and attempting to divide the truth - when you put it all together, it is still going to add up to the truth. What is fair is what makes the game work as intended.

BTW, have you played a V20 server where everyone cut off that repeat or macros firing yet ? You couldn't be having trouble finding enough people willing to play that way, could you ?


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In all honesty, I really have other 'fish to fry' and my real interests are elsewhere... Aside from this - I have nothing to gain here either way. As far as I can see... this issue is like watching people fly thru Mtns in a CI. Who is to decide whether it is intentional or not... me ? Pfffffft.

IMHO... this (no counts) is not my problem - finding players of like mind and connections is. I began playing C4 with a 233mhz 16mb vid card and 56k connection - in the middle of my complaining about my poor performance (which is true to this day..lol ) due to system defeciency... I was told by someone that if my system couldn't perform - either upgrade or get over it. That bothered me then - but not now. It was an actually a sound piece of advice. Apply that to choosing with whom you play. Upgrade (or simply change) your associations... or get over it. Sad...but truly a sound piece of advice.

Goooooooo Reapor!!
You win!!! lol
Ok already....who's defending what now?.......
I've never even seen you in any open servers whomever you are Blue.....
IF you would let us know...perhaps we could talk on a different note. ...But....I don't know who you are....
I'm sure you understand that.
Or do I know you and you don't want your name associated with your opinion?
Either way....Your correct about one thing... This is worse than watching a plant grow. (going nowhere) :stupid2:
Like I've said 2 other times..... we will see what really happens in the servers....If you want...I'll probably be in Reapors Revenge or something like that...hehe.
Good luck all...and I encourage you to join us in our servers.
Later.....Str8

You want to know something about all this you guys actually have a good way to express some of your feelings but everyone does not know how to put them so they put there words in the best way they can but it always ends up starting trouble anyways, like myself I start trouble sometimes but i don't do it all the time it is im tired of hearing the whining about the Nc's and some of the good pilots even whine about them.Most of the pilots that fly I hope they fly for fun but some pilots take there games seriously which is alright but it is hard to see the good pilots whine about an Nc the only thing it tells you is that you are doing something wrong with your flying try to fix. I try to help most of the new pilots out because I would hate to see Novaworld drop C4 because it will be hard to talk to the friends that we have met through the game. But let me get down to the point here I'm tired of everyone accusing my buddy Terror of cheating and what he said in SON's fourm yeah I say it was wrong but some of things he did say was true but you guys judge people by the way they say things you dont know the history of them, so you really would not know how to act towards them, but I have kept my saying out for a long time on all this but I said my peace.

Dont come to with a problem
come to me with a solution....................

You said it all REAPER thanks again for the stand up person you are, and all you have done for C4. I will fly with you anytime......................:099.gif:

OhNo

Hey Blue, after reading all this stuff I believe you have said it the best.....if the game was played as originally intended....without the Stick macros this thread would probably not be here....when i first started..(using single shots..imagine that!) the nc problem was very rare and didnt seem to be a problem, at first i thought it was a cheat being able to fire so many at one time...didnt think it lent to the realism of the game, but like most ..if not all... when i started gettin racked by macros I made the change myself and joined the crowd in order to stay competative.....I believe you are right in saying we have created our own monster here.........now we just keep makin it bigger and more powerful everytime we try and get around it.....For myself and the fact i like the game so much and the community involved (best i've had the pleasure to play with) lets all throw away are macros and play the game as it was orginally intended.....we are a small community and word gets around very fast .........so it is not impossible.........maybe tough to get the newbies involved but at a Squadron level it could be made unlawful to use macros during match play.........would be interesting to find out wouldnt it!

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As I stated before... this debate for me is moot point. I argued this point long... long ago.

I'm not saying that this is the entire problem... But it does seem that removing the variables instead of adding them is a very logical approach to narrowing down the root cause.

And it will remain logical - whether you know me or not.

You still havn't said who you are...
and although this has now opened a BIGGO can a WORMS.....I will go into my friends servers that Don't like NC's....and I WILL Respect there server rules...Just as they will come into mine...and respect them....
The servers again...WILL TELL the story.

LOL this gets better by the minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW I was in a server this morning and I heard a guy complaining about cannon use......... I am the one that started the cannon use hoping it would help the No_Count problems. You can avoid my stingers but not my cannons, before I got it down to a science some one caught on to what I was doing and it has spread like a virus macro. They have been turned up as high as 5000 rpm great no problem. I will shoot you passive and avoid your cannons that works great too. The thing is, where does this all stop if you cannot play the game and adjust to the changes. Then I say break your disc and throw it in the trash we all evolve and that is just what this game is doing, evolving. The players are getting better and I as well as Reaper are helping them, we have to adapt to that all the time. I myself I love the challenge seems no one wants to adjust but instead they just whine. Whine why would you whine about cannons when it is a solution to No_ Counts. The pilot that was complaining is one that said he would never fly in a server with me because I cause No_Counts. I found a solution to his problem and he whines about that too. So in my opinion these kind of guys are the ones that really should throw C4 in the trash and quit playing. Yes we all catch hell as Reaper said, LMB catch it for camping, that is ok I found a way to beat that too. IT WAS A CHALLENGE try looking at the game that way. I would be willing to train any pilot that wants to know how to do that too. We all have to learn and some of us have to be teachers. Suicide farpers--- that is a good one too.... let them do it I.... listen to where the respawn and kill them on the farp or not far from it!!! What did they gain?.........LOL.
I was in V2 server when this all took place to day. I was flying 3h as I always do and guess who was still #1 on the list. without any No_Counts But I had several double deaths.
Enough for now........:stupid2:

Oh I forgot checked with the Doctor he said I would be alright when the whinning stops.:baddevil:

Hey Reaper, it would seem that the majority prefer to keep v15 as it is and not move onto v20. So, do you still see a need for me to even finish ae for it? As I have played a whole wooping 6 hours in the last 10 months, I truthfully could care less. If they want it they got it, if they like it the way it is, I see no point in wasting time on it.

Funny thing to some of us 'old veterans' - we hashed these issues out long before many of you started playing the game! I, for one, left realizing that it would never change. I come back 10 months later only to find the same arguments and mud slinging competitions. My return was fueled by one person, Reaper! I'm not here to whine, not here too cry, not here to tell you how you should be playing or how you should be having fun, I'm here to do a favor for a friend, and in some ways, as I released the first ae, that truthfully is why you still have a game to play. I felt obligated to do a new one for 20. I think this thread started out on the wrong foot merely by its title, it got a little better and actually became a topic worth discussing, but it seems that hot heads and narrow minds are pushing it back into oblivion. Have no fear from this 'old veteran' being set in his ways, as once AE is finished and until the BS is, I will be as well. Keep in mind if it wasnt for the veterans you so easily spite, you would not have the game you play today!! And, if it was not for the BS you would have a game ten times the one you do today!!!!!! I have over a dozen different utilities for C4, as well as 73 maps and 146 new terrains. When the crap is gone and smoke has cleared, lets see who has a game on!

This ole dog will be on the porch while all you pups are chasing your tails!!!!

Reaper let me know what you want to do!

Hey SlapShot.........need some further technical references on posting a no count being an "evasive manuever"......... lmao :dance: I thought people were purposely facing themselves into the missles........anyway its some of what i read......:spin:

You ask A question INSO... Yes we do still need the AE for V20 I would not want anyone, to have to suffer over this mess that is going on. I have a great deal of respect for you and what you have done for the game and I hope that I did not offend you. Just stating my feelings and ideas on the matter.

Thanks again INSO for providing support when NOVA left us high and dry and washed thier hands of us. In other games such as BHD they would have adopted changes such as yours and required the upgrade to play on-line, then this wouldn't have been an issue. Being a slowly aging vet myself, I as well as others tend to dig the heals in when something isn't right rather than run and live with it. You took it one step further and fixed the problems. Those that do not want 2.0 are simply dont want an even playing or scoring field. If I were you I'd be frustrated too and would consider telling all to go to hell. Just know some do appreciate the work and effort.
Ham

hmmm.....

Inso, I for one would love to see the fix for v20. I am one of the old dogs, I have seen a lot of the bull you have taken from the ungratful few.
You have spent many long hard hours of work on C-4. Most of us can understand you are doing this for us (US) and to inprove the game. Its a lot to ask of some one for a mere thank you.
I played on your test server when you had it up, I think this V20 fix would be the best thing that ever happened to the game. I hope you can see it in your heart to release v20 soon. Thanks Again

i dunno 'bout the rest of yu, but this entire thread makes me want to pat evrybuddy on the back,, rite a new macross ,, and scream at the top of my lungs -- ' it wll be ok, we,ll adapt to haveing the glichers run the show ' .

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--But some saw it fit to have mercey on me, and help me learn how to play the game in online mode.(I.E. Reaper,TerrorX,Dee,SlapShot,Animal,OhNo, and a few others--

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--sorry -- :nono.gif:

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Let's debate. :)

[Edited on 12-6-2003 by Bluetiereign]